Joseph Henrich

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Dwarkesh Podcast · Joseph Henrich — Humans defeated smarter species with cultural evolution · 12 Mar 2025 podcast

And there was no agriculture there.

So, yeah.

So just putting together all these different lines of evidence help us develop a picture.

I wouldn't want to bank everything on the Hadza.

Of course, we can't do experiments with some of those groups, but we can see whether the Hadza look like these other hunter-gatherer groups.

Yeah, I don't have a clear picture of that.

It is the case that the Holocene was a particularly long stretch, a particularly long interglacial.

There were some long interglacials, but the soonest one before that was 120,000 years ago.

Other than that, they were getting broken up.

I sometimes wonder if we may someday figure out that there were actually a little bit of agriculture.

And it would have all been destroyed by the Ice Age, right?

So it's not clear that there would be any heritage of it left.

So we would have to find some remnants of some, you know, domesticated crops.

Yeah, if they had gotten to any scale.

But we know from modern societies there are groups, for example, in the Amazon that have root-based agriculture that wouldn't leave any archaeological record.

Well, this gives me a chance to tell you something we've been working on.

So we were talking about this, the kinship hypothesis, the idea that kinship intensity affects psychology.

And when I presented the ideas that are in the weirdest people in the world, I get a hard time sometimes from historians who will have some kind of very European specific story about why this happened that has to do with European royalty or coal or something like that.

And so my move is to, you know, not try to get into the weeds and start reading Latin text, but to go test it somewhere else.

So if it's true that kinship intensity should work like this, then we should be able to test it somewhere else.

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