Josh Boerman

And I was how I was, too.

And it's like the divergent point was specifically from what I remember.

It was sort of like at the crossroads, like the God question.

Obviously, you can only sort of in atheist fears, yell at Christians and like different religious figures so much until it gets a little stale.

So then it sort of got into the realm of like talking about Islam.

And then from there it was like, oh, should we be able to critique it this way?

And then it was like sort of the Sam Harris's of it all.

We're like, no, this is like uniquely bad.

Like they do this, this, that sort of echoing like a George Bushian viewpoint on like Islam specifically.

Very sort of like post 9-11 views of Islam.

And it was like...

me i was like okay i think this is where i'm going to take my exit and then you saw after that a lot of these people are now the same people that are like actually i think trans people should be cataloged i think we should make lists of trans people i think homophobia is probably good sometimes i to be clear i don't think ayla is specifically one of these people i think she's fine with trans people i think she's fine with gay people i think i'm fairly certain of that but this whole sphere that she has cultivated the other people she associates with tend to be these kinds of people

And it's sort of like the outgrowth of, I agree, the like old new atheist movement back in the 2010s.

Hmm.

There are a surprising amount of people that do.

Yeah, it's sort of like adjacent to this thinking.

I'm sure you saw Marc Andreessen recently.

Talking about how to be powerful, to move the world, you have to have no introspection.

You shouldn't think about yourself and things that happen to you and like impact off of that.

And I mean, it makes sense that so many of these like sort of rationalist, like futurist type people like think this way because ultimately it's progress no matter what, right?