Josh Dubin

You see, the thing is, the one force field I have around myself is when that's incoming, I'm able to say, okay, thanks for the fuel.

Thanks for the fuel.

I'll never respond to it.

You know, unless you're...

doing mental health counseling in a prison unless you're a corrections officer, a police officer, know what it's like to be incarcerated.

You have no fucking business giving me your shitty opinion about what you think I am or others that do this work.

Get in the fucking arena and do it yourself.

And I, you know, so I take that with a big grain of salt.

I had...

you know, I have enough common sense and practical sense to sort of let, to disregard that.

But I have to be a big enough person to look at myself and say, well, what can I learn from this?

And what could I do better?

Because, you know, I was talking to Derek Hamilton, who's been on the show and the deputy director of the Freedom Clinic at the Perlmutter Center.

And, you know, Derek said, look, um,

Mental health counseling when I was incarcerated was something that was like... It flew in the face of the us versus them mentality.

I didn't think they could help me.

And I didn't want to help.

I was mad.

And there was a stigma attached to it that I was soft if I did it.

I didn't want people inside knowing.