Josh Dubin

No grand jury. They charge him with three felonies. And I take a look and I see that he's running against someone. And that person that he's running against is posting about the fact that he was charged with three felonies. And I'm like, all right, well, this seems like a political witch hunt. I don't know much about it, but it seems like a tactic.

So I came on the show and I said, look, I know this guy's up against it. Hopefully he now knows what it's like to be accused of something he didn't do. And I said—

So I came on the show and I said, look, I know this guy's up against it. Hopefully he now knows what it's like to be accused of something he didn't do. And I said—

So I came on the show and I said, look, I know this guy's up against it. Hopefully he now knows what it's like to be accused of something he didn't do. And I said—

He's either under so much stress or isn't tech savvy enough to know that every time I text him and say, please, I just need five minutes of your time, I could see he's reading my text because he had his read receipts on and he didn't know it. Whoopsies. I learned, Joe. I learned. So I leave Austin, fly back to New York. I'm in New York. The episode aired, I think, at 12 p.m. or 1 p.m.

He's either under so much stress or isn't tech savvy enough to know that every time I text him and say, please, I just need five minutes of your time, I could see he's reading my text because he had his read receipts on and he didn't know it. Whoopsies. I learned, Joe. I learned. So I leave Austin, fly back to New York. I'm in New York. The episode aired, I think, at 12 p.m. or 1 p.m.

He's either under so much stress or isn't tech savvy enough to know that every time I text him and say, please, I just need five minutes of your time, I could see he's reading my text because he had his read receipts on and he didn't know it. Whoopsies. I learned, Joe. I learned. So I leave Austin, fly back to New York. I'm in New York. The episode aired, I think, at 12 p.m. or 1 p.m.

Eastern time. And at about 5.30, I see on my phone J.D. Tomlinson. And I said, I was about to teach my law school class, these kids at the Cardozo Law School that take the Freedom Clinic at the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice. They all know about the case. They know what just happened. I was like... Holy shit, this guy is trying to get in touch with me now. And I pick up the phone.

Eastern time. And at about 5.30, I see on my phone J.D. Tomlinson. And I said, I was about to teach my law school class, these kids at the Cardozo Law School that take the Freedom Clinic at the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice. They all know about the case. They know what just happened. I was like... Holy shit, this guy is trying to get in touch with me now. And I pick up the phone.

Eastern time. And at about 5.30, I see on my phone J.D. Tomlinson. And I said, I was about to teach my law school class, these kids at the Cardozo Law School that take the Freedom Clinic at the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice. They all know about the case. They know what just happened. I was like... Holy shit, this guy is trying to get in touch with me now. And I pick up the phone.

I said, hello? And he said, Josh, this is JD Tomlinson. He's like, hey, man. He said, I've been under a lot of stress. There's people calling and emailing and flooding our office. You got to make this stop. And I said, that's the Joe Rogan fact. There's no stopping what can't be stopped. So it had its intended effect. And JD and I got into a discussion right away.

I said, hello? And he said, Josh, this is JD Tomlinson. He's like, hey, man. He said, I've been under a lot of stress. There's people calling and emailing and flooding our office. You got to make this stop. And I said, that's the Joe Rogan fact. There's no stopping what can't be stopped. So it had its intended effect. And JD and I got into a discussion right away.

I said, hello? And he said, Josh, this is JD Tomlinson. He's like, hey, man. He said, I've been under a lot of stress. There's people calling and emailing and flooding our office. You got to make this stop. And I said, that's the Joe Rogan fact. There's no stopping what can't be stopped. So it had its intended effect. And JD and I got into a discussion right away.

And I had to quickly figure out a way to connect with him and tell him, I feel your pain. I hear what you're going through. And he told me, listen, I'm fighting for my life over here. These people have upended my life. They're threatening my freedom. I've been charged with crimes I didn't commit.

And I had to quickly figure out a way to connect with him and tell him, I feel your pain. I hear what you're going through. And he told me, listen, I'm fighting for my life over here. These people have upended my life. They're threatening my freedom. I've been charged with crimes I didn't commit.

And I had to quickly figure out a way to connect with him and tell him, I feel your pain. I hear what you're going through. And he told me, listen, I'm fighting for my life over here. These people have upended my life. They're threatening my freedom. I've been charged with crimes I didn't commit.

And I just quickly pivoted and I said, if you just give me a date, I want to come down and I want to just show you. You now know what this is like. Imagine going through this for 30 years. So... I have to say in all my years of doing this, considering the circumstances that he was in, for him to say, you know, he was wrestling with it on the call.

And I just quickly pivoted and I said, if you just give me a date, I want to come down and I want to just show you. You now know what this is like. Imagine going through this for 30 years. So... I have to say in all my years of doing this, considering the circumstances that he was in, for him to say, you know, he was wrestling with it on the call.

And I just quickly pivoted and I said, if you just give me a date, I want to come down and I want to just show you. You now know what this is like. Imagine going through this for 30 years. So... I have to say in all my years of doing this, considering the circumstances that he was in, for him to say, you know, he was wrestling with it on the call.

And he said, you know, I'll never forget what he said to me. He said, you know, if I don't at least agree to meet with you, who am I? And I said, thank you. And he said, I just don't know if there's time, but I owe you at least a meeting. And given what he was going through and what he was up against, and he knew the case well.