Josh Holmes

Totally.

You know, which is terrifying.

Yeah.

And this is obviously just a confluence of events, right, that started at a young age.

But, you know, Rob Reiner didn't give up.

I mean, he kept going.

It ended in absolute tragedy.

But, I mean, the effort was clearly that you can see it.

And that piece, by the way, beautifully written and I think just got to the absolute heart of the issue is that they were willing something to happen that was not going to happen.

Well, and imagine being his sister at a time like this and having to live through this trial that's going to happen.

Talk about the actual victim here.

I mean, it's the most horrific, unthinkable thing you'd have to deal with in life.

Yeah.

It's almost Shakespearean in some way.

I mean, this is a bizarre drama.

I mean, look, I think if there's a –

A piece, a silver lining, a productivity of a conversation that you can have publicly about any of this.

We don't know the circumstances of any of their relationships with each other or what led him to drug abuse or, you know, if he was relapsing and back onto it.

But you spend time with your kids, you know?

Yes.