The Megyn Kelly Show
Megyn Reveals Her Candace and Erika Backstory, and Disturbing New Rob Reiner Son Details, with Ruthless | Ep. 1214
16 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What led to the confrontation between Candace Owens and Erika Kirk?
Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We have got so much to get to today. Nick Reiner is soon expected to be formally charged with the murder of his parents, legendary movie director Rob Reiner and his photographer mother, Michelle Reiner.
A killer, meantime, is still on the loose after a gunman killed two and wounded nine at Brown University. That situation is going from bad to worse. I mean, I don't know what you're going to do out there with this mayor. Good luck to you, Providence. What a buffoon. We'll get to the latest on how he and now the attorney general are contradicting each other.
They're not inspiring any confidence whatsoever that this shooter will be caught anytime soon. And we are definitely going to get into this Vanity Fair profile. Look at this. Here are my notes on it. It's a very thick document.
Chapter 2: What shocking details emerged about the Rob Reiner murder case?
It's a very long two-part article written by Vanity Fair with the cooperation of and with several interviews over the course of a year of President Trump's chief of staff, Susie Wiles, and the entire cabinet. here's a little preview. It didn't go well at all, which is no surprise if you're going to sit down with Vanity Fair. Everyone's asking, why would she do this?
Why would you sit with Vanity Fair? It's the reporter. I guess the reporter has done all these profiles on chiefs of staff over the years. Okay, that shouldn't do it because Vanity Fair hates conservatives, right? So you kind of should know what you're going to get. I think Susie Wells is a very smart, very savvy woman, but...
You know, it's not a surprise that Vanity Fair did an incredibly unfair piece on Susie Wiles that does not make her or anyone in the cabinet look good. And she's already trying to like tamp down some of the admissions. It's not good. We're going to talk about it in just a second because Ruthless is back. The guys from the program are here. Love the fellas.
They're coming on in just a couple of minutes. But I just want to start quickly with this. I've been telling you as this, I don't know if you want to call it a feud or what, between Candace Owens and Erica Kirk has been heating up that I would have something to say on it in the coming days, and I do. It's been going on now for a while where Candace...
I had that exchange with Ben Shapiro out on the tour where he said she'd accused Erica of orchestrating Charlie's murder. And I was taken aback. I had not heard that. And then in the interim, between that day and the next, I had my staff go research exactly what she had said. And then somebody just happened to ask me a question about it. Truly, it was not, that was totally organic.
That was not a plant by me at all. But somebody asked me about it the very next night. And I actually told them, because I'd been planning on saying something on the show since Ben had made the accusation. And if it was not true, I did not want to be having something that heavy hanging out there. Um, someone asked about it and I said, that's actually not true. And at that time it was not true.
Candace had not accused Erica of orchestrating Charlie's murder. Um, and I've gotten a lot of grief for saying that, but I was correct. We're, we are relentlessly factual here in this program. And she had not done that at the time. As I pointed out at the time, she had impugned turning point and I realized Erica is CEO, but she wasn't until after Charlie died. Um,
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Chapter 3: How does the Vanity Fair profile portray Susie Wiles?
Um, so, you know, saying the guys at Turning Point had done something prior to Charlie's death is not the same as saying Erica Kirk. Okay. I'm sorry. It may seem to you like a distinction without a difference, but we really do care about facts being precise here on the program. We don't always get it right, but that's a big one to get wrong. Well, since then, Candace has
been more focused on Erica Kirk. And I think that's because Erica Kirk went on a media tour and started clearly speaking out about Candace.
And so, you know, it turned into a rather explosive situation last week where Erica went on with Harris Faulkner on Fox News and said very clearly she wants these, quote, conspiracy theories to stop, especially about Turning Point USA, which she called her Turning Point family. And she was clearly upset. You know, we played the soundbite for you. She was clearly, you know, she's had it.
And then she went on with Barry Weiss on CBS for a town hall. They had aired the preview, Sot, and then the actual exchange aired on Saturday night with Barry, where Erica told Candace to just stop. Okay, she just said, I want you to stop. Actually, we'll play that. Let's play the sound bite here.
The podcaster Candace Owens, okay? At one time, a friend of Charlie's. At one time, an employee of Turning Point. She has been one of the main peddlers of these conspiracies, and she is making a huge amount of money on it. She is building her business off of these lies. What do you want to say to her and the other people that are putting these lies out into the world right now? Stop. That's it.
That's all I have to say. Stop.
And that was a clear play on words, if you will, because Candace, when she had started down the turning point narrative, had said, only my husband or Erica Kirk can tell me to stop this. And, you know, like one word from Erica will stop this. And Erica didn't say anything about this. She hasn't really been commenting on podcasts and so on. But she did, as you saw in that clip, say stop.
And it was not taken as the command to stop. I think Candace felt she was saying stop lying. And Candace, her defense was she's not lying. She's actually trying to do an investigation into the true killer of Charlie Kirk. I've said before, and I will say again, I think they have the true killer of Charlie Kirk. His name is Tyler Robinson. He's in custody.
And I have every reason to believe that he committed this murder. Many people disagree with me. Many people believe there's more to this story that we're being lied to by our FBI, that there are too many inconsistencies around the official story. And those people are more than entitled to that belief. I don't share it. That's fine. This is America. You can feel differently about these things.
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Chapter 4: What insights were shared about the challenges of parenting in Hollywood?
It's not going to happen. Um, and I've learned a lot behind the scenes from Candace about some of the things she's been put through from people I used to respect. Um, I also adore and love Erica. And so I want this to stop. I do, of course. None of this is a mystery to Erica or to Candace. And a couple of weeks ago, Erica called me and it's relevant to the meeting they just had.
Okay, so I'm gonna get into this. Those two had a sit down meeting yesterday for four and a half hours, Erica and Candace alone. Well, I think they had two other people with them, but those were the two principals. And they met face to face in Nashville, Yesterday, no recording devices, nothing, just the two of them. And again, each had a supporter, someone from their own respective teams.
I'll let them disclose the specifics of that. But they made a lot of progress, according to them. And this is what they tweeted out yesterday after the meeting. Candace said, Erica and I wrote... had an extremely productive four and a half hour meeting that I think we both feel should have taken place a lot earlier than it did. We agreed much more than I had anticipated.
Of course, we also disagreed on various points and people as well. Most importantly, we were able to share intel and clarify intent. I will, of course, have a full rundown for you all tomorrow as I am currently exhausted, but I wanted to quickly let you guys know that absolutely nothing was held back and the immediate result was that tensions were thawed. That's very good.
Erica posted something 10 minutes later, writing, had a very productive conversation with Candace Owens. More to come from both of us. Looking forward to AmFest this week. That's Turning Point's biggest event of the year. It happens this weekend, later this week into the weekend. Time to get back to work.
So I will let Erica and the Turning Point crew and Candace Owens fill you in on what happened at that meeting and so on. I just wanted to note, because many of my viewers have been wondering why I haven't said anything given my previous statements about Erica. And The reason is that I have been working behind the scenes to try to foster a detente between them.
Erica called me weeks ago and asked me if I would be part of this sit-down with them, which originally they had contemplated might be for consumption by the public, my heir in some way, shape, or form, and asked if I would facilitate that meeting between the two of them. And I said, yes, immediately. Of course I would. I reached out to Candace. She said, absolutely. I'm thrilled it's you. I'm in.
And the two of them took it from there, trying to negotiate the specifics of what they'd both be comfortable with, where, when, etc., And eventually it changed after they hit some roadblocks. Again, that's for someone else to tell you about if they so choose.
Not having anything to do with yours truly, but hit some roadblocks in scheduling and the specifics that led them to just say, let's do this privately, not on camera, not in a live stream, just us. And I thought that was a great idea and I fully support it. And I have been in touch with both of them repeatedly. Okay. So that's what I've been doing.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the ongoing situation at Brown University?
And he's pressing her on whether this is all retribution. She is saying, okay, you know, he doesn't like some of these people, et cetera. And then she says, the question is, what about Letitia James and her mortgage fraud? Answer, well- That might be the one retribution, quoting Susie Wiles. That is utterly unhelpful.
And if they ever manage to re-indict Tish James with a grand jury that will actually do its job because she does deserve to be re-indicted, it will be promptly dismissed now with that quote because she speaks for the president.
And that is effectively the president on record saying this is no more than political retribution, which as a practical matter will now doom the Letitia James criminal case. Again, it's already on life support, given the fact that they can't get a grand jury to reindite now that it's been thrown out because it didn't have a prosecutor on it who was a legitimate U.S.
attorney, according to the courts. But that statement actually will have consequences. The rest is political chaos. And that's where you guys come in. What's your favorite thought or admission or takeaway on this thing?
Well, Megan, first of all, I think this took the political world by storm this morning in large part because Susie Wiles is known for the discipline, and this White House has been known for their incredible discipline and their lack of interest in entertaining the sort of left-wing media.
narrative and so anything that showed up in that space was going to be interesting to say the least but from my perspective i always do this when i'm dealing with like a new york times or vanity fair or whatever i look at something that they pulled out for a pull quote and they try to throw it in a subhead and in this case there was a reference to donald trump having the personality of an alcoholic quote unquote
And I looked at that and I'm like, all right, before I read this article, I'm going to go down and I'm going to try to find the context that is printed in this to see if this could make, because that's not something just out of context that somebody like Susie Wiles would ever say.
And then you go down and you find out that she was talking about her history of dealing with men, her father, people with alcoholism.
Who was Pat Summerall of the NFL.
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Chapter 6: How does the podcast address the political climate surrounding recent events?
Wiles says she called Musk on the carpet. You can't just lock people out of their offices, she recalls telling him. we called up Marco and said, you've got to be in charge of USAID. And then she says, but no rational person could think the USAID process was a good one. Nobody. Now she's denying to the New York Times that she said he's an avowed ketamine user.
That's the line in response to which the reporter played the audio for the New York Times. So she's ripping on Elon and then kind of Denying it. Okay. Then I told you what she said about, about Tish James, but here's a couple of like other more consequential pieces. Okay. She rips on Pam Bondi. and I'm just going to be honest, she speaks for us all.
She writes, she says, I think she completely whiffed on appreciating that that was the very targeted group that cared about this. She's talking about the social media influencers who she invited to the White House only to embarrass them with those binders full of nothing. She completely whiffed on appreciating that that was the very targeted group that cared about this. First,
She gave them binders full of nothingness. And then she said that the witness list or the client list was on her desk. There is no client list and it sure as hell was not on her desk. Then she goes on about Epstein to correct Trump. Trump has claimed, writes the author, without evidence that Bill Clinton visited Epstein's infamous private island, Little St. James, supposedly 28 times.
Quote, Susie Wiles being quoted, there is no evidence those visits happened. Quote, the president was wrong about that. And then here's the part about JD Vance. The people that really appreciated what a big deal this is are Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, she said, because they lived in that world. And the vice president, who's been a conspiracy theorist for a decade. And we go from there. Um, okay.
I mean, like, so, so she's called JD Vance, a conspiracy. There is, she's called.
I already like JD. She doesn't need to convince me, man. I don't know.
So I, what is, what is happening here? Do you think Susie Wiles, who's sorry, she's Wiley. She's very clever. She has universally good reviews of what a smart, savvy person she is that she just got like had by the author of this or what?
Yeah, you know, I mean, what's interesting is there's never been a chief of staff for President Trump in either his first term or anywhere around him, really, who can get into this situation where immediately the entirety of the organization circles the wagons. Mm-hmm. And that's what you saw all morning this morning, which was everybody from Don Jr.
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Chapter 7: What are the reactions to the handling of the Brown University shooting investigation?
that that was the case. But then some of the studies showed that that hep B vaccine that you've given to your baby actually doesn't last. It's not a lifetime vaccine. So by the time, you know, I mean, we're saying like with the HPV, they give it to 12 year olds because let's face it, in some countries, you know, whatever, sadly, some kids get active very early. But
The thing with the Hep B vaccine is over the course of decades, it doesn't last. So by the time the average person gets sexually active, which is probably more like college age, it might not even be working. So there's really no reason to be giving it to a baby who wasn't born to a Hep B positive mother. None whatsoever. And yet, RFKJ still says, if you want to get it for your baby, you can.
Which is not like... We just want you to know you don't have to. It shouldn't be on like the, we really recommend you do this for people who are perfectly healthy.
Yeah, and I think, Megan, what you were just talking about, what these fellows were just talking about, and the lack of critical context in stories like this over the last few decades has led to an inflection point in media that you're living through, that we're living through, that will continue.
In that, the media used to write the first draft of history, and today it's written by those who are making it. And that's why this story doesn't bother me at all. Because I know what Susie Wiles has done for this last year.
she has brought order to a second term that did not exist in the first term and that's what everybody has watched with their own eyes they don't need to read 35 pages from a guy in vanity fair and you know what he's a good writer he's talked to a bunch of chiefs of staff in the past she's a chief of staff she's a history maker what does she have to be afraid of talking to the guy so he lies about her in some story that's 35 pages long okay she knows what the truth is and so does everybody else
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Chapter 8: What final thoughts does Megyn Kelly share about the complex issues discussed?
And this guy is as talented as he is and as widespread as Vanity Fair is, he doesn't write the truth about Susie Wiles because she is making something very special happen in the White House and nothing can change that.
I agree with everything you said and I admire her, but I don't see what the upside of this was. Like the photography alone is, that evidences the hatred that this magazine has for all of the Trump administration. I'm going to show you a couple of the up-close photos. You pose for a photo for Vanity Fair, you know, a headshot.
I think the common understanding would be that you're going to get a three-quarter, like a top third of your body, you know, portrait, like from the chest up. Look at Susie Wiles. Can you see this on your monitor? It is... It's worse than a mugshot. Even in the mugshot, they give you a little bit of collarbone.
For the listening audience, it's literally from her chin up to her forehead in a facial expression where she looks like shocked. It does look mugshotty. It's not flattering. And she actually is a beautiful woman. You can easily get a good shot of Susie Wiles. Look at Caroline Levitt. Stand by.
Yeah. I mean, come on.
That is Caroline Levitt. I'm sorry, but it's such an extreme close-up. It doesn't even look like her. You can't even tell it's her, but it is. It doesn't even look like her. No. Yeah. It's her, but you can see the little needles from where she clearly had her lips done, which is something a lot of women do. But that is 100% by design. They wanted to embarrass her. Yeah. Like, fuck you.
So she, you know what? I don't get my lips done, but I do get a bunch of needles in my face so they can inject a bunch of botulism in there and poison my forehead muscles. I don't think I'd appreciate it if that were close up on camera in Vanity Fair.
Megan, my kids would call that a 0.5. And everybody is doing a 0.5 picture of their friends and everybody sees each other's friends in it like a less than favorable light. The setting on your phone. It is. It's a setting on your phone. He's up with that now, Megan, like he's trying to teach us all this stuff.
What I'm telling you is that Vanity Fair can throw their absolute worst at Caroline Leavitt and at Susie Wiles, and they are going to go to work today and impress everybody in the country. The 77 million people who voted for President Trump are well served by people like them. Yeah, I just kind of think it doesn't matter anymore. I don't think it does either.
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