Josh Mankiewicz

I think that Jason and Kelly were an interesting part of this story. You know, they were clearly part of the Wolfpack and the sort of party atmosphere that surrounded that. And there's

I think that Jason and Kelly were an interesting part of this story. You know, they were clearly part of the Wolfpack and the sort of party atmosphere that surrounded that. And there's

No question that that they were part of the I don't know whether you want to call it swinging or wife swapping or let's just say this alternative lifestyle that they were doing, because because at one point, Jason made this sort of distinction between infidelity and what they were doing.

No question that that they were part of the I don't know whether you want to call it swinging or wife swapping or let's just say this alternative lifestyle that they were doing, because because at one point, Jason made this sort of distinction between infidelity and what they were doing.

You know, what can I say? I think for a lot of married couples, it's kind of understood that there isn't any permission, no matter who it is, no matter what situation it is. But they had chosen to do things differently.

You know, what can I say? I think for a lot of married couples, it's kind of understood that there isn't any permission, no matter who it is, no matter what situation it is. But they had chosen to do things differently.

Yeah. I can't tell you, you, Blaine, exactly how this worked. But they clearly had some system which involved different people being together in different situations, maybe while other people were present, that they felt did not stretch the bounds of permission. Right. So it was a way for people to be with other people without sort of, you know, breaking, breaking either.

Yeah. I can't tell you, you, Blaine, exactly how this worked. But they clearly had some system which involved different people being together in different situations, maybe while other people were present, that they felt did not stretch the bounds of permission. Right. So it was a way for people to be with other people without sort of, you know, breaking, breaking either.

I'm not going to say breaking their vows, but at least breaking their their post marriage vows of of what constituted fidelity and infidelity.

I'm not going to say breaking their vows, but at least breaking their their post marriage vows of of what constituted fidelity and infidelity.

Oh yeah, no, no. They, they, they both, they had that expression of like, you know, when people are going to the dentist, you know, like this is going to be awful, but you know, in a couple hours it's going to be over. I'll be out of here thinking about how terrible it was. I mean, look, they agreed to do it.

Oh yeah, no, no. They, they, they both, they had that expression of like, you know, when people are going to the dentist, you know, like this is going to be awful, but you know, in a couple hours it's going to be over. I'll be out of here thinking about how terrible it was. I mean, look, they agreed to do it.

And I think they agreed to do it because they loved Rob because they felt that he had been done wrong. We've got no subpoena power here at Dateline. People are only on because they want to be. And I think the Bernatines wanted to tell their story. They were ready for anything. And I can only imagine that it was embarrassing.

And I think they agreed to do it because they loved Rob because they felt that he had been done wrong. We've got no subpoena power here at Dateline. People are only on because they want to be. And I think the Bernatines wanted to tell their story. They were ready for anything. And I can only imagine that it was embarrassing.

It always is to have your sort of personal business laid out in front of the whole country. Right. Look, one of the things that's always true about murder investigations is that it pulls back the covers on everybody's secrets, including things that don't actually have to do with the murder itself. And this was one of those cases.

It always is to have your sort of personal business laid out in front of the whole country. Right. Look, one of the things that's always true about murder investigations is that it pulls back the covers on everybody's secrets, including things that don't actually have to do with the murder itself. And this was one of those cases.

Look, this is a question that I have specifically asked of defendants. from whom I was separated by a thick pane of prison glass. Why did you not think about just getting a divorce? I mean, it's legal in this country, and you can get divorced as many times as you want, and your family may hate you afterwards. You may be out of money afterwards.

Look, this is a question that I have specifically asked of defendants. from whom I was separated by a thick pane of prison glass. Why did you not think about just getting a divorce? I mean, it's legal in this country, and you can get divorced as many times as you want, and your family may hate you afterwards. You may be out of money afterwards.

You may have the distrust and enmity of your family and friends, but you will not be locked up, and you probably also will be able to sleep at night. Why people choose murder is one of the questions involving the stuff that you and I cover here at Dateline that I've never really had an answer to. Now, that said, why did this happen? Sabrina's defense was... I didn't want him dead. I was content.

You may have the distrust and enmity of your family and friends, but you will not be locked up, and you probably also will be able to sleep at night. Why people choose murder is one of the questions involving the stuff that you and I cover here at Dateline that I've never really had an answer to. Now, that said, why did this happen? Sabrina's defense was... I didn't want him dead. I was content.