Josh Mankiewicz

I was just going to ask you, yeah, when... Yeah, when the kids are in bed, I'm thinking that the last thing you and Jay are thinking about is let's have some other people over.

I was just going to ask you, yeah, when... Yeah, when the kids are in bed, I'm thinking that the last thing you and Jay are thinking about is let's have some other people over.

Yeah, no, it's I must say, I thought, wow, weren't you worn out?

Yeah, no, it's I must say, I thought, wow, weren't you worn out?

Yeah, the Bernatine's marriage did not survive all of this. And I guess the question is, you know. Is did this intrigue, you know, the the wolf pack? Maybe is that what undid them? Or is that what made a marriage possible? This little extracurricular thing that they were having, because in some cases that clearly is is the escape valve that people need.

Yeah, the Bernatine's marriage did not survive all of this. And I guess the question is, you know. Is did this intrigue, you know, the the wolf pack? Maybe is that what undid them? Or is that what made a marriage possible? This little extracurricular thing that they were having, because in some cases that clearly is is the escape valve that people need.

And look, I mean, I'm not looking down my nose at anybody. I mean, I you know, marriage is very difficult. People do all kinds of things to make their marriages work. As long as everybody understands what they're getting and as long as, you know, you're not hurting anybody else, there certainly exists an argument for an alternative lifestyle.

And look, I mean, I'm not looking down my nose at anybody. I mean, I you know, marriage is very difficult. People do all kinds of things to make their marriages work. As long as everybody understands what they're getting and as long as, you know, you're not hurting anybody else, there certainly exists an argument for an alternative lifestyle.

I don't know how she's doing in prison. Look, the one person we really wanted to speak with for this was Sabrina. First was Sabrina, and second was Jonathan. Those are the two people I wanted to talk most with. And third was the prosecutor, because I wanted to know what got you from Jonathan actually committing the crime to her being the ringleader.

I don't know how she's doing in prison. Look, the one person we really wanted to speak with for this was Sabrina. First was Sabrina, and second was Jonathan. Those are the two people I wanted to talk most with. And third was the prosecutor, because I wanted to know what got you from Jonathan actually committing the crime to her being the ringleader.

because what is there besides Jonathan's word that she was the ringleader in all this? And none of those people wanted to talk with us. The answer was no. Now, in California, where everybody's incarcerated, doing electronic interviews, radio or TV, from prison is much more difficult than in other states because the laws were enacted after Charles Manson gave a bunch of TV interviews there.

because what is there besides Jonathan's word that she was the ringleader in all this? And none of those people wanted to talk with us. The answer was no. Now, in California, where everybody's incarcerated, doing electronic interviews, radio or TV, from prison is much more difficult than in other states because the laws were enacted after Charles Manson gave a bunch of TV interviews there.

to make it harder for prison inmates to appear on television. So it's much harder in California to speak with people who are incarcerated in the state system than in other states.

to make it harder for prison inmates to appear on television. So it's much harder in California to speak with people who are incarcerated in the state system than in other states.

Okay. I have two things to say to that. One, Lisa, thank you. Two, a year from now, you'll be saying Blaine Alexander is your favorite Dateline host.

Okay. I have two things to say to that. One, Lisa, thank you. Two, a year from now, you'll be saying Blaine Alexander is your favorite Dateline host.

They will be absolutely saying that to you, too. Yeah. And you're like, huh. Noted. OK. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. Sure. I will. I will cover your your horrifying disappearance. Disappearance.

They will be absolutely saying that to you, too. Yeah. And you're like, huh. Noted. OK. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. Sure. I will. I will cover your your horrifying disappearance. Disappearance.

That's right.

That's right.