Josh Mankiewicz

Yeah, I mean, you'll be divorced like so many other people are in this country. And, you know, I mean, there should be no stigma about it. If relationships are not working, murder. It is the most astonishingly foolish, selfish, mistaken way to get out of a marriage. There is no worse way.

Yeah, I mean, you'll be divorced like so many other people are in this country. And, you know, I mean, there should be no stigma about it. If relationships are not working, murder. It is the most astonishingly foolish, selfish, mistaken way to get out of a marriage. There is no worse way.

It's not unusual for children to take the side of the surviving parent because nobody wants to hear or say to themselves, you know, dad killed mom or mom killed dad.

It's not unusual for children to take the side of the surviving parent because nobody wants to hear or say to themselves, you know, dad killed mom or mom killed dad.

That's a good example of something that we see all the time on Dateland, which is that kids frequently want to believe that the parent who lived and who is charged did not do it. And believe me, I get it.

That's a good example of something that we see all the time on Dateland, which is that kids frequently want to believe that the parent who lived and who is charged did not do it. And believe me, I get it.

This we have talked about, which is you think you're going to take away the parent of your kids and they're just going to be fine. Right. Like, they'll be okay because you're happy? It's nuts. It's just insane. I mean, it's a terrible thing to put your kids through. And, you know, in that way, in that sense, Monica and Robert Baker have something else in common, which is they were both willing to

This we have talked about, which is you think you're going to take away the parent of your kids and they're just going to be fine. Right. Like, they'll be okay because you're happy? It's nuts. It's just insane. I mean, it's a terrible thing to put your kids through. And, you know, in that way, in that sense, Monica and Robert Baker have something else in common, which is they were both willing to

to expose someone they loved, to enmesh them in this plot. Monica getting her daughter to find Fabio's body and Baker getting his lifelong friend, Chris Austin, no criminal record, somebody who looked at him like an uncle and who trusted him and who clearly did not want to be involved in this murder plot at the beginning and getting him to do it, making him a murderer.

to expose someone they loved, to enmesh them in this plot. Monica getting her daughter to find Fabio's body and Baker getting his lifelong friend, Chris Austin, no criminal record, somebody who looked at him like an uncle and who trusted him and who clearly did not want to be involved in this murder plot at the beginning and getting him to do it, making him a murderer.

Now he's wrecked his life and his family's life and he's going away too. I mean, it is astonishing display of selfishness and willingness to hurt people close to them for their own means. It's a terrible thing.

Now he's wrecked his life and his family's life and he's going away too. I mean, it is astonishing display of selfishness and willingness to hurt people close to them for their own means. It's a terrible thing.

I completely agree because it's pretty obvious he tried to sort of get out of doing it a couple of times. But when, you know, when the chips were down, Baker kind of just, you know, said, we're doing this. And he lacked the strength at that moment to say, you may be doing it, but I'm not.

I completely agree because it's pretty obvious he tried to sort of get out of doing it a couple of times. But when, you know, when the chips were down, Baker kind of just, you know, said, we're doing this. And he lacked the strength at that moment to say, you may be doing it, but I'm not.

act on it. Yeah, he just didn't have it.

act on it. Yeah, he just didn't have it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This was very long. A lot of people and... And a lot of story to tell. You know, one of the great things about this is that you have the two murderers on the stand, each telling different stories. Baker saying, I loved her then, I love her now, and I did the murder myself.

This was very long. A lot of people and... And a lot of story to tell. You know, one of the great things about this is that you have the two murderers on the stand, each telling different stories. Baker saying, I loved her then, I love her now, and I did the murder myself.