Josh Martel

And just to clarify, it was 20K.

20K.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

absolutely all right very cool um okay so that's so you're using that money to go towards testing what about a team today how many folks are full-time um four okay myself my co-founder um who are not paid um we're roughing it out and i just moved to san francisco so that is tough uh to be living here without a salary um and then we have two uh developers um

They're on contracts, but they're working full-time hours.

We discussed it, but we both were very happy with 50-50.

We've worked together before.

He was actually the head of engineering at Thriver Technologies while I was head of product there at that time.

And we're actually now bringing on our head of marketing from Thriver as well, but he's joining part-time, so I didn't include him in the four I was talking about before.

It's the former.

Yeah, we're really focused on growth.

We're confident that we can make this into a very valuable business people are willing to pay for.

We just don't want to get distracted from making the product really sticky and really valuable to our users.

So are you talking about product development or?

Oh, I see, in terms of which software we procured for Thriver.

I mean, I certainly loved being able to use products before having to make commitments to it.

It's not the most insightful response, and that's certainly not surprising to anybody.

But the product-led growth is just really appealing to me as a consumer.

Of course, it's very appealing to the vendor as well, because they don't have to deal with having salespeople on salary, et cetera.