Josh Miller

Yeah.

Yeah. Again, and maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, but I think that it's going to take creativity and dreaming on both sides. I think from a media standpoint, tell me if you think this is wrong. I think a lot of media organizations made the mistake maybe a decade ago of trusting the platforms. Yeah. And in many ways, outsourcing their product development.

Yeah. Again, and maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, but I think that it's going to take creativity and dreaming on both sides. I think from a media standpoint, tell me if you think this is wrong. I think a lot of media organizations made the mistake maybe a decade ago of trusting the platforms. Yeah. And in many ways, outsourcing their product development.

Yeah. Again, and maybe I'm just too much of an optimist, but I think that it's going to take creativity and dreaming on both sides. I think from a media standpoint, tell me if you think this is wrong. I think a lot of media organizations made the mistake maybe a decade ago of trusting the platforms. Yeah. And in many ways, outsourcing their product development.

And I don't think media companies are going to make that mistake again. And I think there are many like The Verge that are innovating on what their product is. And they're innovating on what their product is in a moment where there is actually leverage to go after these, you know, I can't overstate, not to you, but to your audience, how stuck the web has been.

And I don't think media companies are going to make that mistake again. And I think there are many like The Verge that are innovating on what their product is. And they're innovating on what their product is in a moment where there is actually leverage to go after these, you know, I can't overstate, not to you, but to your audience, how stuck the web has been.

And I don't think media companies are going to make that mistake again. And I think there are many like The Verge that are innovating on what their product is. And they're innovating on what their product is in a moment where there is actually leverage to go after these, you know, I can't overstate, not to you, but to your audience, how stuck the web has been.

And all of these things have been for decades because Google controlled it all. And for the first time in decades, there is this technology, this Play-Doh, that gives a window to mess that up.

And all of these things have been for decades because Google controlled it all. And for the first time in decades, there is this technology, this Play-Doh, that gives a window to mess that up.

And all of these things have been for decades because Google controlled it all. And for the first time in decades, there is this technology, this Play-Doh, that gives a window to mess that up.

Yes. At a moment where you all have been burned as media companies by outsourcing your product to Facebook and go say, hey, trust us. Just give us your content. We'll pay you. It'll be great. You're not going to make that mistake again. You have Play-Doh to play with. You are innovating on product. And I think on our side, I knew coming on this podcast, you were going to ask these questions.

Yes. At a moment where you all have been burned as media companies by outsourcing your product to Facebook and go say, hey, trust us. Just give us your content. We'll pay you. It'll be great. You're not going to make that mistake again. You have Play-Doh to play with. You are innovating on product. And I think on our side, I knew coming on this podcast, you were going to ask these questions.

Yes. At a moment where you all have been burned as media companies by outsourcing your product to Facebook and go say, hey, trust us. Just give us your content. We'll pay you. It'll be great. You're not going to make that mistake again. You have Play-Doh to play with. You are innovating on product. And I think on our side, I knew coming on this podcast, you were going to ask these questions.

And I knew I wasn't going to have a perfect answer, but I think this is important for the same reason I think it's important to pick up David's call, hear him kindly yell at me, and make changes based on it. And it's why we show up at media companies' offices saying, hey, let's collaborate on something here. Let's figure out a way where we pay you. It's going to take experimentation.

And I knew I wasn't going to have a perfect answer, but I think this is important for the same reason I think it's important to pick up David's call, hear him kindly yell at me, and make changes based on it. And it's why we show up at media companies' offices saying, hey, let's collaborate on something here. Let's figure out a way where we pay you. It's going to take experimentation.

And I knew I wasn't going to have a perfect answer, but I think this is important for the same reason I think it's important to pick up David's call, hear him kindly yell at me, and make changes based on it. And it's why we show up at media companies' offices saying, hey, let's collaborate on something here. Let's figure out a way where we pay you. It's going to take experimentation.

It's going to take collaboration on both sides. And I think that collaboration bit is the hardest bit because there are bits of what Casey said that I found deeply unfair. And there are bits of it that I found fair. But I know where he's coming from because it's the same part of me that was burned as a 20-year-old by these promises of tech's going to change everything.

It's going to take collaboration on both sides. And I think that collaboration bit is the hardest bit because there are bits of what Casey said that I found deeply unfair. And there are bits of it that I found fair. But I know where he's coming from because it's the same part of me that was burned as a 20-year-old by these promises of tech's going to change everything.

It's going to take collaboration on both sides. And I think that collaboration bit is the hardest bit because there are bits of what Casey said that I found deeply unfair. And there are bits of it that I found fair. But I know where he's coming from because it's the same part of me that was burned as a 20-year-old by these promises of tech's going to change everything.

And so I think we have the moment in history, which we should not take for granted. We have the Plato, we have the lessons from the past, and now we just got to dream a bit and come together in some way. And maybe this is the part of me that makes decisions through feelings and this is naive and I will, but I truly, truly think something good is going to come out of this.