Josh Owens

And I remember there were many times in the beginning

I would go into the office with a good attitude.

And then like a snap of the finger, Jones would come into the office.

Sometimes he was jovial.

Sometimes he was playing around.

But that playfulness could turn on a dime anytime.

And we were always on edge waiting for that to turn.

And I just remember my attitude shifting at some point where I thought, okay, I'm not here.

This has got nothing to do with me.

It's not about being excited.

It's not about, you know, having ideas or contributing in that way.

It's what does Jones need at all times?

If he's going to play around, I'll sit here.

I'll listen.

I'll laugh.

But don't get too involved because you might be the one that turns the dime.

Yeah, I am hesitant often to say that because I know there are people in those situations that deal with a lot of horrific things.

But yes, I think that in many ways it was.

And it was that fear, constant fear of, you know,

You kind of can't leave either because you've attached yourself to Jones.