Josh Owens

That's how me and my friends talked growing up.

I was in film school.

I was learning about it.

And it was just, you know, boom.

It got me.

There are a hundred other ways that Jones is getting people.

He's much more overt now in his racism and his sexism, having people on like Nick Fuentes.

So in some sense, you know, there's the –

I don't know much about it, but the loneliness epidemic with men, there's entitlement, there's privilege, and Jones sort of creates this world where, like,

hey you don't have to apologize for who you are you don't have to apologize for what you do you don't have to learn you don't have to grow listen to me you know we're going to take over the world that seems to be his narrative now um it's all this white identity stuff which before if i ever heard him talk about that stuff i never would have gotten sucked into his world but now it just seems to be this turning tide of anger and rage you're in your mid-30s now right um

Where do you see your life going?

Well, first off, I hope I'm lucky enough to have a lot of years ahead of me.

Right now, my life is good.

I'm surrounded by friends and family and friends.

You know, I spent years working on this stuff.

And I remember an interview with David Sedaris where he said one of the reasons that he wrote was that he wanted the world to love his mother as much as he did.

And in the most difficult times in writing this book, I kind of thought the same thing.

I thought, I want the world to love my partner as much as I do because she was so, I mean, how lucky am I to have been someone who was surrounded by, or, you know, was with a person who cared about them and

and would ask questions and not push.

And even when she had every right to, that's, this is not prescriptive.