Josh Pais

And then I spoke to everybody and slowly, uh,

He started pulling me in to going from like an amateur and a professor, you know, and a master to like two people talking to each other.

Like he he pulled me in and that was seems obvious, but that was just a profound lesson.

that of film that it's just you and that other person and it was very simple but it was a big learning lesson and and i feel like i feel like you you know that i'm such a student of this art form like every job i'm i try to learn you know i'm just trying to learn something

And so much of this craft is unlearning, is like getting out of your way, knowing how to step into the unknown.

Because when actors step into the unknown and create in that moment, that's what engages an audience.

And the trap is...

to come in preset of how you're going to do something and then do it.

And it's like selling, you know, yesterday's bread, you know, it's just nobody's interested in that.

Well, in a sense, I feel like I'm competing with myself.

Because the idea of competing with someone else for a role is just...

It doesn't make any sense almost.

Yeah.

I mean, it's not like we put us both in the room and battled like that would be.

But it's really like, how can I bring a part of myself so honestly and so fully and so spontaneously so that I'm not.

operating out of my mind but i'm operating from my gut from my core whatever that is so that it's spontaneous and if i can do that i feel like it's a win yeah and yeah i mean on some to some level it's like all i can do is be my best but i the notion of

competing with another person is just an abstract notion in that sense, because I'm just trying to do my best.

They're doing their best.

And then the, the creators have a vision and assuming I do my best, that person does their best.

If one of us has fits the vision, then they're going to get the job, no matter how,