Josh van Cuylenburg

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

What you bring up there, I think, alludes to the whole reason why you made the show in that I think for a lot of people when they have that conversation...

There's a basic, like I had a, I'll take the wind out of it to be a lot less divisive issue, but I remember having a chat with a mate on Boxing Day at the cricket and he brought up the idea that the moon landing wasn't real or something like that.

And I was like, no, it's definitely real.

And he goes, it's pretty weird though that they only went once and never went back though.

And I'm like, yes, they did.

They went like, there's a whole group of them that went.

And he's like, no, no, they just went once.

And that happens to be an area that I'm like, I know this one.

And I got it up and I showed him.

But I feel like so often when you have these conversations, there's a version of that where you're like, suddenly you realize that, oh, you have a completely different picture of reality.

And on that one issue or one topic, I happen to know what the reality is.

You know what I mean?

The age, like logo's a bit more pixelated than normal.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Yeah, it's such a good point that for many people in the world, like the cost of disinformation could actually be their life.

But I have to say, for me on a personal level, the more that my perception of reality and what is real and what isn't is manipulated or just misled.