Josh van Cuylenburg

To me, the first thing I think of is, does that bring up a problem though?

Because I think there's going to be a point where the kids are going to no longer want to be cuddled and hugged.

Oh, you don't think so?

No.

It's a myth.

Yeah.

Because it's in them.

It is them.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay, yeah.

I just think in my relationship with my wife, Sophie, I feel like whenever there's been something really difficult to negotiate, humour is always the best way in for us personally.

Like if a joke can be made about it that's genuinely funny, that's the risk that you make a joke that's not funny and it falls flat and then you're worse off.

But for us, I think humour is probably the most important tool in the tool bag that we have to be able to negotiate the stuff.

I loved your phrasing in there because I know I'm just so grateful for the other person of giving me a lifeline to work on this that felt accessible.

It's such a great point because often I don't want to be in this situation but I can't see a way out and I'm just so grateful if she can do the right joke or the right thing at that point to give me something to hold on to to say, oh, I can work on this with you and we can get out of this.

Yeah, and in your intention.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think for me it's so important.

I mean, we talk about it a lot on this show about how connecting and everyone who listens and I'm not sort of preaching to the choir here, but how connecting real vulnerability is and how it brings you together.

But it's so interesting that in the person that you want to be closest to, sometimes it's just so hard to reveal that vulnerability of like, I made the mistake there.