Josh van Cuylenburg

Or even being the, I don't know if the phrase is correct here, but the sort of bigger person even to acknowledge that we both made mistakes, but I'm going to go first and admit to mine.

Because you just know every time that's going to get the right outcome.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't have that.

What I find interesting in my circumstance is how often if I say, I'm sorry, I was behaving like a bit of an arsehole over the last couple of days.

I've been grumpy.

I don't know why.

I'm sorry.

And usually there's an initial reaction of like, thank you for saying that.

Sophie will disappear and then five minutes later we'll come back with an apology of something else that she feels like she wants to share.

It doesn't have to be, it doesn't happen straight away, but I find it really interesting how there's like a processing time.

Yeah.

Yes.

And it's really lovely because you're like, oh, this didn't need to be a thing.

Yeah, it's great.

This is a bit of a non-secretary jump, but I wanted to ask you, because you've been doing a lot of work on workplace relationships and we're talking a lot thus far today about really about intimate relationships with a loved one.

But I've been thinking a bit about workplace relationships in relation to a really good friend of mine, my closest, really close friend.

He's one of the most charismatic people I've ever met and really lights up a room when he's in the room, makes people laugh.

It's just a joy to be around him.

LAUGHTER