Joubin Mirzadegan

Nobody uses, obviously, vanilla models.

You need to figure out your data and so on and so forth.

But again, if you're scaled, you have a lot of value there.

And then what you need from infrastructure where we believe that our value is created is to help you with that, to lower the barrier to tune those models and then run those models reliable and cost efficient.

And that's the next layer of the offering that we are building.

Yeah, I'm a lucky person.

I'm more on the product and demand side, and it's a lot of fun.

Yeah, the best worker in the world.

So people hug you.

But no, I think that now, obviously, the physical infrastructure, even not the energy itself, but getting from

greenfield to having data center that works and full of GPUs is actually the big challenge.

The bottlenecks are along all the supply chain, starting from whatever connecting to the grid or bringing local generation and all the way to even human power and all the complexity.

So I really kind of

take my head off in front of the people who are bringing those like gigawatts capacity online.

And that's challenging work.

It's a good question.

I think the race is so that you never know, are you good enough or not?

So you look like, oh, you're growing, like whatever.

You're growing like...

seven times a year or so uh is it good enough like in any normal business yes probably it's excellent growth and you meet your customer and they say oh you know what i grew seven times in the last four months and like okay probably probably we need to i gotta grind harder yeah yeah and but