Judith Collins

And I think that's made a huge difference.

So 21 years in law and business and governance before I went in meant that when I became a minister –

I treated it as I had as a chairman of a board.

So I'd been a chairman of a board before a couple of times.

So I knew what to do.

And that's the closest thing to it.

So I felt that that gave me the strength to do what I needed to do and not to take prisoners as such when it came to getting what I needed through for legislation or anything else.

Yes, well, a lot of what we actually get through in Parliament has a lot of cross-party support.

But that doesn't get that much coverage, really, because it's all the excitement and the conflict that tends to be more interesting for other people.

But the cross-party work is something that we can do, and we do it all the time.

But there are always going to be things we disagree on.

We're always going to have disagreements on taxes.

We're always going to have disagreements on various things like that that are fundamentally different depending on which political party you're in.

But there are lots of things we do agree on.

And I mentioned some of them yesterday.

And some of them, having them cross-party has meant that they have stayed and lasted.

Although, as you know, the smoking ban in prisons, that was definitely, I didn't even have the government on site.

But anyway, corrections found a way around.

It wasn't quite as legal as they hoped, but it worked.

And by the time the court said it wasn't that legal.