Julia Hartley-Brewer

He's not being treated as a representative in any way of this government.

He's being treated as the alternative to this government, which is why I don't think that thesis quite holds tight.

Yeah, I agree with an awful lot of that.

I mean, certainly what happened at the Reform Conference was utterly bizarre.

I mean, some things you can never sort of unsee or unhear.

But it troubles me to this day.

Look, there's no question at all, you know,

reform have been very focused and very rattled by Restore.

There's such personal animosity between Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe.

Although again, you know, this isn't unusual territory for Nigel Farage.

He is a man who has made a lot of enemies over the years, and there's no question at all, reform is, you know, there may be many other figures like Robert Jenricks and the

So you serve some Richard Tyson's notes, but fundamentally it is a one man band in the sense that what Nigel Farage says goes, it's his party and what he says goes.

And a lot of people won't put up with that.

He would say his instincts are better than other people's.

on this front, that's why he's been, let's be honest, the most successful politician, influential politician, I should say, of his generation in terms of Brexit and what he's done.

However, yeah, there are definitely rattles.

But one of the reasons why Restore has been able to win so much popularity and was winning people over in Makerfield is because of Nigel Farage and Reform's attempts, which we've been seeing, to become more a government in waiting, not a protest party.

Here are some policies.

lining up people, which they, you know, I think in a rather silly way, call, you know, shadow Home Secretary, shadow Chancellor, their spokespeople.

They haven't got spokespeople for lots of other key roles, like, you know, I have got education as well, a braveman, but, you know, defence and other issues, they haven't yet got those spokespeople properly in place.