Julia Hartley-Brewer

This is the same as, look, remember in 24 that all the gushing, I mean, the oozing of joy from a lot of the mainstream broadcasters when they were reporting the election result, this amazing 400,

and three, I think it was on the day, Labour MPs, this massive majority for Keir Starmer, you know, less than 34% of the vote.

It wasn't a vote for Keir Starmer and Labour, it was a vote against the Tory governments and their failures.

So again, I just think, I think people can massively over-interpret what this means.

On this given day, people voted to get Keir Starmer out.

I'd have probably voted for Andy Burnham in Makerfield if I'd had a vote.

Well, okay, there's a number of things.

Can I just start it before you go along there?

Because I do want to go back to something that I said there about, you know, this is like a, you know, governments don't win by elections.

I mean, certainly.

In mid-term, we've got this much unpopularity, particularly for the leader.

But I don't think this was effectively a government party candidate winning.

The people who voted for Andy Burnham, the popularity he has, is because he's not the government.

He's the anti-government Labour figure.

He's the mayor of Manchester.

He's almost completely disassociated from this government.

He can criticise their policies.

He's completely safe.

He's not responsible for any of the decision-makings, any of the U-turns.

any of the abject lack of any activity to do anything.