Julia Jacobs

And in those interviews, it's clear that Nick and his parents had worked very hard to keep him sober.

But Nick also talked later about relapsing after the movie came out.

Right.

There was a podcast where he talks about having a heart attack on a plane from cocaine use and ending up in the hospital.

And there's another time he talks about being on cocaine and completely wrecking his parents' guest house, which he lived in, where he punches the television, punches a lamp, you know, and the whole place ends up in shambles.

So in these interviews, it's clear that the whole family was striving for sobriety for Nick.

And some lasting stability in terms of the family relationship.

Right.

But it never came.

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