Julia Simon
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And so, like we said, many countries are deeply frustrated with this UN process.
It's a process by consensus, Emily.
So every country has to agree to the text of this agreement.
And you have close to 200 countries in the process.
And while Norway and Mexico are oil producers and they want a roadmap off of fossil fuels,
Some other big oil producers, like Saudi Arabia, they do not.
So you have some countries pretty consistently blocking text that mentions fossil fuels.
Interesting.
So this is the dynamic at COP.
Is anyone doing anything about it?
Well, remember that guy we met from the top of the episode, Andres Gomez from Colombia?
You found him after the fire.
Exactly.
He works for a group that is developing something new.
I met with Andres that morning before the fire, and he told me what was supposed to happen later that day.
I consider this under embargo.
This isn't going to go out until later today.
Famous last words.