Julian Morgans
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And so you've got KK Park number one, KK Park number two, so on and so forth. They're suburbs with their own identities and their own governance. And then a little further up the Moy River, stretching about 100 kilometers north, there are an unknown number of scammer farms of different sizes and business models. Most of them are massive, walled compounds.
And so you've got KK Park number one, KK Park number two, so on and so forth. They're suburbs with their own identities and their own governance. And then a little further up the Moy River, stretching about 100 kilometers north, there are an unknown number of scammer farms of different sizes and business models. Most of them are massive, walled compounds.
Some of them are multi-story buildings, three, four, five, even six stories high. Some of these compounds can have row upon row of buildings, 10, 20, 30, even 50 buildings that have just sprung up seemingly overnight. It's an industrialized operation, all in plain sight.
Some of them are multi-story buildings, three, four, five, even six stories high. Some of these compounds can have row upon row of buildings, 10, 20, 30, even 50 buildings that have just sprung up seemingly overnight. It's an industrialized operation, all in plain sight.
And each farm usually houses a range of different companies that all target different demographics of victims in different countries. For example, slaves in a particular building in KK Park, they might be scamming Americans on dating apps. While scammers in another park, they might be scamming Australians on Facebook Marketplace.
And each farm usually houses a range of different companies that all target different demographics of victims in different countries. For example, slaves in a particular building in KK Park, they might be scamming Americans on dating apps. While scammers in another park, they might be scamming Australians on Facebook Marketplace.
So this, this is Myanmar's original scammer region, and it's estimated that somewhere between 100 and 200,000 people have been brought in as victims of human trafficking. And this area in southeastern Myanmar is where both Kew and Katalia were taken.
So this, this is Myanmar's original scammer region, and it's estimated that somewhere between 100 and 200,000 people have been brought in as victims of human trafficking. And this area in southeastern Myanmar is where both Kew and Katalia were taken.
Now, the other area in Myanmar that's sprouting scammer farms, it's further south at a different border crossing with Thailand known as Three Pagoda Pass. And it's a bit more remote as it's hidden between two mountain ranges.
Now, the other area in Myanmar that's sprouting scammer farms, it's further south at a different border crossing with Thailand known as Three Pagoda Pass. And it's a bit more remote as it's hidden between two mountain ranges.
But along this route, clusters of scammer farms, they're cropping up in the valleys and they're nowhere near as large and the area is not as developed as that around the Moi River. But the farms are going up fast because it's much easier to smuggle in victims via the land border than trying to get them across the river.
But along this route, clusters of scammer farms, they're cropping up in the valleys and they're nowhere near as large and the area is not as developed as that around the Moi River. But the farms are going up fast because it's much easier to smuggle in victims via the land border than trying to get them across the river.
Okay, so that's the geography overview, but Katalia, she'd found herself in a massive scammer farm near the Moy River, but unlike Hugh, she didn't resist work. For the sake of survival, she agreed to just start scamming.
Okay, so that's the geography overview, but Katalia, she'd found herself in a massive scammer farm near the Moy River, but unlike Hugh, she didn't resist work. For the sake of survival, she agreed to just start scamming.
To be clear, this is the kind of work that Q is doing as well. Cold messaging hundreds of men every week, pretending to be a sexy yet lonely woman, to lure them into an online relationship. But there's a level above this work called customer service, where scammers actually got on the phone with their victims.
To be clear, this is the kind of work that Q is doing as well. Cold messaging hundreds of men every week, pretending to be a sexy yet lonely woman, to lure them into an online relationship. But there's a level above this work called customer service, where scammers actually got on the phone with their victims.
Because as you'd imagine, people get sick of texting, and especially when they think they're forming an intimate relationship. So they say, hey, can we talk on the phone? I want to hear your voice. And at that point, the conversation gets elevated to the slaves in customer service who would sweet talk to their victims. And these people need good English. And Katalia, she speaks great English.
Because as you'd imagine, people get sick of texting, and especially when they think they're forming an intimate relationship. So they say, hey, can we talk on the phone? I want to hear your voice. And at that point, the conversation gets elevated to the slaves in customer service who would sweet talk to their victims. And these people need good English. And Katalia, she speaks great English.
And that's actually why she'd been recruited in the first place.
And that's actually why she'd been recruited in the first place.