Julianne Schultz

But when you look at the, you know, the Alice Hart book, which has done so exceptionally well, the core, you know, one of the cores of that story is about living in the desert.

And that was there in this earlier piece that she had written.

So I think that that ability to move between genres and styles and recognise that the creative process actually takes a whole lot of steps before you get to the finally realised work is also an important part of it.

So saying, yes, I can give you the space to test out those ideas and who knows where it might lead.

And what does that word mean to you, disruptors?

I guess in my framing of it, it's very much about the sort of tech changes that have occurred in the last little while.

I mean, that's not the full scope.

I mean, Ashley has taken this edition in a whole lot of different directions around that notion of disruption very, very widely.

I think we are in no danger of overstating the enormity of the change that's underway.

I think it is truly profound and I think it is something which demands our urgent and intense attention, not just in relation to reading and writing, but just broadly.

And I think the early promise of the sort of digital transformation was exciting.

It was open.

It was egalitarian.

It was about sharing.

It was, you know, it was all those lovely things.

And, you know, people, you know, moved into that world full of promise and full of hope.

I think that what we've now seen is a fundamental shift.

And I don't think we can overstate how profound that is.

I mean, one of the things that I've written about in that long essay for this current edition is about this sort of notion of the rise of surveillance capitalism.

And that draws on the work, amongst others, of a woman called Shoshana Zuboff.