Julie Skolnick

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Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children · TPP 130: Julie Skolnick of With Understanding Comes Calm on Advocating for 2e Kids · 12 Oct 2018 podcast

So I hope that kind of, and the why, I guess to answer your why question was really raising these three kids and experiencing the loneliness, the pushback, the assumptions, the negative feedback loop, and just not accepting that as status quo and wanting to move forward and positively reframe, find honor and celebrate my kids' strengths.

And really feeling like circling the wagons of the adults in the room was the best way to actually serve twice exceptional children because they don't really have the power.

So it's been, it's just about five years.

I mean, you know, my oldest is 17, so 17 years, but with understanding comes calm has been around for five years.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

We are in the midst of a sea change.

You used to go to a conference and you were lucky if there was one presentation on 2E.

And now we're almost, I don't know, could be half.

At least a third.

And I think it's really interesting when you talk to parents and you try to delineate the difference between gifted and 2E, there are different schools of thoughts.

There are clearly different IQ levels that we have to use for identifying for programming, let's say.

But then 2E kids can be left out because their test scores can be suppressed or because of behavior, because of people not understanding what that means.

But really, I have to say, I define gifted with three characteristics, asynchronous development, perfectionism, the other side of which can be anxiety, and overexcitabilities, which I'm sure some guests on your show might have already talked about.

But if you're defining as one of the characteristics asynchronous development, it's pretty difficult to tease apart gifted and 2E because if you look at the Columbus Group definition of giftedness, it says right in there, the higher the ability, the higher your score on an IQ bell curve, the more asynchrony you're going to experience.

So if we're talking...

In that term, that means the quote unquote more gifted you are, the more likely you are to be 2E.

So I think that's pretty interesting.

And I think people are realizing this.

So the Columbus group definition of giftedness was created in the 1980s by a group of parents, educators, and clinicians who got together in Columbus, Ohio, hence the name.

And they were really grappling with this question about giftedness.

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