Jum Wallner

He probably didn't know how dangerous it was.

Anyway, he was asset free.

You couldn't prove it was James Hardy.

Asbestos.

So you couldn't prove where the asbestos had come from.

There just was no one to sue.

You could run a case against Mr. Fluffy and you might win, but there'd be no assets to recover.

So there's no point.

There had been a few, but they had been older.

They'd been in their 70s and 80s previously, and they died quietly without making a fuss.

But John went to see a lawyer.

Everyone who gets diagnosed with an asbestos disease usually goes to see a lawyer.

And they spent ages going through every place he'd lived or worked in his life trying to find secondary exposure because they hoped if he'd worked in a building that had asbestos in it, he might be able to, you know, get compensation that way.

Yeah, yeah.

And they were unsuccessful.

And he said, and the advice he got is just there's no hope.

Unfortunately, you're in this category and there's

There's no avenue for them to get either government financial support or compensation, and he thought that was wrong, and he knew that there would be, unfortunately, probably dozens of other victims coming in the next 40 years, and he wanted to try and change that to take care of them and their families.

No, none.

none of us did that's why i wanted to help i i thought look this is something and he's dying and we don't know how long he's going to be dying for but if i can help him work this out he was very determined to do it his brother bruce was very determined to help him if i can take some of the load you know it maybe i can add something maybe i can run around a bit you know it gives him a bit more of his scarce time back to do with what he wants