Juror Number 8
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The jury also learns about three critical timeframes forensic experts use to classify injuries. Antimortem, which is inflicted before death. Perimortem, which is inflicted around the time of death. And postmortem, which is inflicted after death. It's a sobering moment as science strips away the emotion and breaks down the unimaginable into cold clinical facts.
Dr. Cogswell then shares a lesson he instills in his students when teaching about sharp force injuries. Look for the blood. Until every drop is accounted for, they truly don't know where the bleeding occurred. And until you find this, you haven't found the crime scene.
You can paint a room with a gallon of blood. That phrase stuck with me the moment Dr. Cogswell said it. I instantly looked down at the carpet, still laying out on the courtroom floor, stained with Jasmine's blood. It wasn't just evidence. It was a haunting reminder of where her life ended. This feels like a good time to remind you to take care while listening to this episode.
Out of respect for Jasmine's family, we're choosing not to share every graphic detail about her wounds. But we do want to give enough context to help you understand what happened. Dr. Cogswell begins with x-ray images, offering an undeniable glimpse into how Jasmine's body was positioned inside of the suitcase, her head toward the handle and her feet toward the wheels.
He then shifts to the evidence of restraint. Jasmine's right wrist was handcuffed to the inside of her left ankle, while her right ankle was shackled to her right elbow. It was a restrictive, contorted position that suggests deliberate immobilization. In an effort to better understand how she was restrained, I actually laid on the floor of my living room and tried to get into this position myself.
And restrictive and contortive are great descriptions of the position she was forced into. One critical detail stands out. The chain on the shackles was broken, a possible sign of a desperate struggle. Yet Dr. Cogswell is quick to point out something unexpected.
There were no ligature marks or abrasions on Jasmine's ankles or wrists, raising even more questions about how and when the restraints were applied. A detail the defense will be sure to bring up later. Even more telling is the pattern of her injuries.
The majority of Jasmine's 60 wounds were concentrated on her upper right side, reinforcing the theory that she was in the fetal position during the attack. Now let's return to the courtroom as Dr. Cogswell walks the jury through the x-rays of the suitcase.
Yeah, you heard that correctly. Handcuffs and shackles. For those of you who are curious about the difference between the two, I was. Handcuffs are designed to restrain a person's wrists together. Shackles, on the other hand, have a longer chain between the cuffs and are typically heavier metal restraints used to secure different parts of the body, usually the ankles.
Think of prisoners being transferred. With Prosecutor Moyle's instructions, Dr. Cogswell puts on a pair of blue gloves and opens the evidence bag containing the handcuffs, showing them to the jury.
He goes through the same process with the shackles.
Cogswell also pointed out rust stains on Jasmine's skin, evidence of where the shackles and chains pressed against her for an extended period. He then presented a photo of the left side of Jasmine's body, which was completely free of wounds. But when her body was rolled over, it became clear that every single injury was concentrated on her upper right side.
This pattern, he explained, is consistent with someone being trapped in the fetal position, further reinforcing the prosecution's theory that Jasmine was confined and immobilized during the attack. There was a moment during these photos when I found myself staring down at my blank notepad, my mind unable to process what I was seeing. Without thinking, I silently muttered to myself, Oh my God.
The sheer number of her injuries was overwhelming, each one a brutal testament to what Jasmine endured. I just couldn't believe it. This entire time, Jason Chen's head is hanging down. At first, it seems like he's avoiding the photos being shown on the courtroom screen. But by now, I had noticed a small monitor mounted under the glass top of the defense table, directly in front of him.
Later, I asked the bailiff about it, and he confirmed that every time something appeared on the large screen in the courtroom, the smaller screen in front of him turns on and displays the same content. So, while Jason appeared downcast, maybe even remorseful, the truth was he was seeing those images in even sharper detail than the rest of us.
As images filled the screen, Dr. Cogswell walked us through key identifiers used during Jasmine's autopsy, markers that helped confirm her identity. Among those identifiers were her tattoos, permanent expressions of who she was, now preserved only in these photos and in the memories of those who loved her. If you've been following the podcast, we've got something new for you.
Now you can dive even deeper into each episode on our website, sequesteredpod.com. We've added exclusive blogs for every episode packed with extra details, behind the scenes insights and key moments from the trial. Plus, we've organized all the trial and news coverage by each day of the trial. so you can follow along just like we did in the jury room.
Head over to sequesteredpod.com now to explore the case in a whole new way. Dr. Cogswell's testimony didn't just outline the injuries, it painted a vivid picture of the violence Jasmine suffered. His detailed observations provided the jury with a clearer understanding of the circumstances surrounding her death, emphasizing the deliberate and confined nature of the attack.
While they are talking about Jasmine being in the fetal position, Moyle goes back to the large carpet sample on the floor of the courtroom and asks Dr. Cogswell if he sees any significance with the bloodstain in regards to the size of Jasmine's body.
At this point, with Moyles directing, Cogswell methodically takes the jury through all 60 stab wounds, one by one, using clinical, almost detached terminology like curvilinear and vertex. But behind those technical words was a reality that was impossible to detach from. Out of respect for Jasmine and her family, we won't be sharing all of this audio. However, I will share this.
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