Justin Jackson

It's like, it doesn't take me more time to ship something with this stack that works for anything than it does... Like, I don't know what shortcuts I would take that actually save me time by using some other stack or some simpler thing.

What about on the other side? Do you think anyone's building anything with Vercel slop? No, I don't think so either.

It's like cal.com. That's, that's a big one. Or did they move off Vercel?

Can I just say when you're sick, you have like the deepest, richest voice for a podcast ever. I need you to be sick more. It just sounds really nice in my headphones. I'm sure the listeners will agree. I know.

Uh-huh. I just want to... I want to do stuff with Beacon now. Like, whatever his little brain comes up with, his big brain comes up with.

his weird brain comes up with yeah he's so into like some very specific things and like i can't imagine anyone knows more you know what he reminds me of i meant to say this to him in dallas uh in the movie dune or the books whatever the guys that can calculate what are those called that can like calculate anything yeah yeah yeah he's like that but with like with like internet lore yeah with like memes and lore like you can just tell you anything yeah

Yeah. I can see his reaction when he sees something like that. Oh, hang on. Yeah, exactly. Grab a screenshot. Okay, got it.

I have wondered that before. Who are these people that take screenshots? I also wonder when you see really funny memes, who are the people that make these things? And it's also vegan. It's people like vegan. They just have that brain. You can show them any random... you know, like these like cartoon images, people post of like a certain face. Yeah.

Like the Wojak or there was one, I can't remember it. Uh, it was one of the Yassine responses. I think it's like this kind of black and white drawing of a guy. I think it was his response to Adam Rackus. Uh, And like, I just knew when I saw it, like, Beacon will know what that's called. He knew immediately. And like, I didn't even show it to him. I just described it to him. He's like, oh, yeah.

He really is like one of those things.

I love that as you see, you guys have the ability to go that level of abstraction. Like here is a replica zero component and everything is done. And it works with your infrastructure. It creates your infrastructure. Yeah, like front end frameworks can't do that. They don't have that power.

Um, cause I remember the first time you were early.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, how long has Replicash been... Like, how long ago did he start that?

Yeah, it does feel like the best applications in a browser are going to be local first. It's like any trade-offs... that there are, like, oh, you're not... Like, that just needs to be solved. Like, you need to get the best of both worlds. If you need to server render stuff for whatever reasons, SEO or whatever else, like, we got to just solve that problem.

But there's no way, like, a multi-page app, like, using any one of the SSR frameworks is going to approach...

quality of a local first app without I guess I guess anything could be done with just enough effort but like local first gives you that like amazing application feeling everything's instant everything feels really good feels like you can solve the SSR stuff and it sounds like it already is being solved more easily than like an SSR framework can figure out how to make

like the local first thing that make it feel local first.

Because I think about this all the time with stat music. It's like, Oh, we don't have much interactivity, but then we keep adding more. It's like, Oh, we need to sprinkle in this interactivity. And it's like, at the end of the day, it doesn't feel very good because we don't have really good tools to kind of like make that all feel instant and smooth.

It's like we started with the SSR and that kind of constrains a lot of what we can do. So, yeah, I do. I think the future is like local first with figuring out all the other things that you need to figure out. But start from that foundation because it's just going to feel better.

Yeah, this goes to the Twitter drama. Yasin kind of pointing out the thing that he's angry about, being that it feels like the modern SaaS slop, I guess I'll call it, in honor of his coining it, that slop. He just keeps saying the word slop. That he feels like they're trying to convince new engineers that they're too dumb, they'll never figure it out. I've heard you say similar things, like,