Justin Jackson

I really do. Vegan pastries. It's kind of like my weakness. I just traveled to get vegan pastries.

Tell me more. OK. Anyway. Oh, we might come to Miami, by the way. Really? Casey, there's a volleyball camp. I don't remember. December? I think December. Oh, you guys should do it. That'd be really fun. Yeah, it's like there's these camps they have all over the country, and it's like when one intersects with something that would be like, hey, we could go see Dax and Liz.

It's a good reason to pick that one. So yeah, I'll let you know. Yeah, you guys should do it.

Yeah, that'd be great. It's actually in South Beach, but... It'd still be fun.

We'd stay closer to you and then we could just drive across the bridge or whatever.

Was that just special circumstances that React Miami lined up with something where traffic was really bad or just time of year?

Yeah. Oh. Was it the Emerge Americas? The LinkedIn conference? I guess so.

Yeah. What's been going on in tech? What else did we miss while we were doing real life stuff? It's so funny to say like IRL. Like, oh, that's my IRL friend. Like Teej came with Sam. He's like, this is my IRL friend. It's like, we're all real life friends. Just not like in person friends. Not enough. Yeah. What is going on in tech? Is anything going on? Or in life. Forget about tech.

Who cares anymore? I just don't care anymore. I think the more people talk on Twitter, like technical topics, the less I care. I care nothing about anyone's technical takes. I just don't. Like I'm sure someone cares. I just, I can't even anymore. I can't pretend. Like your technical takes on Twitter are just, no one cares. No one cares. Oh, there's been so much stuff going on.

Yasin has been, like, attacking all the people that we associate with. And they've been attacking back. Wait, what do you mean attacking all the people?

WebDevCody. I don't really know him, I guess. Then there's, like, DHH hopping in and being like, Ha ha, told you, complexity sucks.

It's been a lot of Twitter drama.

It keeps coming up, like this... Yeah, complexity versus...

like vps's or whatever i'm just talking yeah i don't care either side sounds and nobody is ever shipping anything exactly what are they i don't know i saw you say something about that and i had to think about it deeply for a moment like are there a lot of people shipping they just don't talk so the people who are talking these people that are always like arguing about you should be a vps it should be whatever it's like i have never used your product

What is like one notable product that is like shipped on a VPS?

So, okay. So let's define VPS because I feel like lots of large companies manage their own infrastructure. Like they don't use... I mean, EC2 is a VPS. Okay, right. So like there's this association though with VPS. There's kind of a connotation that it's like... a digital ocean droplet is cheap and it's whatever, it's not using one of the major cloud providers.

Don't you think there's, there's, it's like, I know.

Yeah. On its own. And it's an AWS thing. So, like, you're not spiritually aligned with the crowd that's, like, the $5 VPS crowd, right?

Okay, so they include AWS, yeah. They're just opposed to... Well, that's the thing. The $5 VPS crowd is sort of really angry at the Vercel and Netlify layer of cloud abstraction, which I also think is stupid and won't exist in five years. Or if it does, it'll look very different. But that's not where we live. We talked about this, at least offline. Yeah.

Yeah. And it doesn't feel like And I'm sure people have said this before, but it doesn't feel like extra work once you... It's not extra work once you know it, yeah. It's like, I hate the idea that just ship a thing as fast as you possibly can. It could be a piece of junk, but ship it so you can move on and make money or whatever.