Justin LaBar

It's still moving forward for Jacob and his creative on TV.

See, and it's such a tough, it's such an interesting conversation to have because you're right.

I mean, you know, Jacob tried to baby face a little bit.

He's like, you know, one of the reasons I want my kids in better school.

So like it's, it's a heel.

Well, no, if you say I want more money so I can go, uh,

buy more planes and buy more women, that's a heel.

But if you're saying I'm trying to get my kids in better schools, that's the attempt of a baby face.

Look, I don't know what you're asking for more money for, but I don't know if you're a heel of a face.

Yes, it's a weird thing.

WWE is executing certain shades of gray with certain stories.

You mentioned Seth, but this one boldly in the front is a shade of gray, at least from what we saw on Raw and then SmackDown.

Let's see what this week holds and maybe it'll become clear.

Yes, it's tough because shades of gray, I like shades of gray and long-term and story because it's so interesting because it's like, cause you can relate to like, all right, this character has flaws, but you can agree with them here, but you don't agree with them there.

So shades of gray, I think is a powerful thing in big storytelling.

But when, when you boil pro wrestling down, when it went at the end of the day, when it comes time to, to, for people to buy the tickets to come in and the brand, you gotta ring the bell.

They respond the most.

To a clear-cut good guy and a clear-cut bad guy.

Yes.

And so Shades of Grey makes it, you know, that makes it tough to get to that point.