Justin Sanders
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
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really thought you know talks in great like extreme depth about how all of this came to be and how he came to be the person
in this position.
And one of the interesting things about this to me is that, you know, when Balfour Mount wanted to create a space in the Royal Victoria Hospital to take care of people at the end of life, predominantly cancer patients, he really wanted to call it a hospice.
But it was in part because of this place in Quebec and people's ideas about what hospice would mean to the Francophone public here.
really looked around for another name and the name that he came upon, which he writes about as sort of coming to in the shower was that was palliative care.
And so, you know, we have a lot of ideas about what, you know, and a lot of evidence to show what palliative care can be now.
But but at its origin, it was really just another word for hospice.
Well, so, you know, for example, I can read from this.
A hospice at the Royal Victoria Hospital?
Mais non, mon ami, ce n'est pas possible au Québec.
That's what his friend said, which means, you know, not possible here.
The term hospice among the Québec Francophones brought to mind the neglect and warehouse-style nursing home shabbiness of les hospices in France.
So it had a really, like, a strong connotation for a place for the poor and the destitute.
michael i'm curious if i could ask a question of michael um as having been around for a long time in this world you know one of the things that bell writes about is how how cicely saunders and robert twycross were really kind of upset with it they didn't like the term palliative care and i'm curious if you were you know around at all when some of these discussions were taking place obviously the uk was the first to have a palliative medicine specialty but do you recall what that was like in those early days and sort of what the thinking was about this name
Oh, I was just going to say, I'd really encourage everybody to read a new book, everybody in our field to read a new book by Joe Wood from the UK.
He was a researcher at King's College London, and he wrote a book called Cicely Saunders and Total Pain.
And not only is it a beautiful book on its cover, but it really gets into the history about how Cicely Saunders formulated and talked about total pain through the course of her career.
And it's an extraordinary read.
Not changed enough.
One of the things I find really compelling and sad is that often in our palliative care unit, I hear people say things like, this is the first time I felt really cared for in our healthcare system.
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