JVL (Jonathan V. Last)

The vanilla candidate can lure in converts without turning people away.

Your advantages shift, right?

As the environment shifts.

And so I am open to the idea that in a world where Trump is at like 44% approval and he's only net like minus four or minus six.

Right.

Or even nationally, right?

You know, like, you need somebody who is going to, like, really break the mold and try to reshare.

But when Trump, what is he, minus 16?

At minus 16, it's different.

Yeah.

And the dynamics auger for different candidates.

I will say...

In 2020, Joe Biden won more votes than any person who has ever run for president in the history of our fucking country.

And he won the second highest percentage of the vote since Reagan's reelect.

So it's not as if plain vanilla candidates haven't demonstrated an ability to win gigantic victories at the top of a ticket in cases where

Everything was a shit show.

The other candidate is very unpopular.

Right, and the candidate is very unpopular.

Maybe running a candidate like Bernie in 2020...

Would have not, you see what I'm saying?