Kail Lowry

So is that why so many of them make mainstream media?

Because like these crazy cases, you know, whoa, I'm trying to think of...

the one that Lindsay and I just talked about, the cult in Appalachia with the shootings and things like that, like those big, big cases, like is that why they get such big coverage?

one worst case for sure why not i definitely for i mean it's very different for entertainment law but she will be pretty straight up with me about you know i think you have a good case or maybe we shouldn't push this you know what i mean yeah and so i i can always appreciate that because uh you know so many attorneys could be like no but we should do it and then they're getting all the litigation hours that are billable you know what i mean so totally there are certain lawyers and attorneys that i'm sure would would do it for the hourly you know yeah but

I mean, I don't know if I would.

I feel like I would like to be in the courtroom, so I would be, like, wanting to litigate everything.

Yeah.

it's pretty common, at least where I practice.

So what do you mean by just like a flat rate?

What do you mean?

So it's not like a retainer and then you're billing for $650 an hour, $850 an hour.

Right.

Wow.

That's so nice of you though.

No, it really is because there are so many people that will just take charges that maybe they shouldn't have because they don't have the funds to fight for themselves or maybe, you know, they're being painted in a darker light than, than their participation actually was.

Um, that's so interesting.

Um, what do you think television shows like law and order get wrong about criminal defense?

Um,

Oh, my God.

That show had me in a chokehold.