Kail Lowry

Yes.

And that's what you did.

So what did you do to start Brightside?

But did they trust you right off the bat?

But what have been some of the obstacles, we'll say, in starting your business?

Because I think that so often people, whether they're former felons or ex-convicts or whatever, I think that people never know how to start a business or where to begin and what the obstacles they're going to face are.

And obviously, it's different along the way, but...

How do you learn about the sales process?

Because I feel like this would also be good for me.

Do you think that your experience in crime and also your experience at prison sort of shaped your work ethic today?

Do you feel like that had anything to do with the mentality that you have now?

They're not.

So now you do public speaking too, or you've, you've done for some time.

Do you talk about the, your story and then also, you know, starting Brightside or is it kind of like the sales course?

What do you mean?

Can you give me an example?

So what are you suggesting?

I should take a step back from podcasting and teach other people how to do it?

No, that makes sense.

Yeah.