Karen Hao

Do we really want to give this much power to Musk?

And that is why Musk then leaves because then the two switch their allegiances.

They say, actually, we want Altman to be the CEO.

And then Musk is like, if I'm not CEO, I'm out.

I think he's a very controversial figure.

Well, this is what's so interesting about those interviews is people are extremely polarized on Altman.

No one has...

in-between feelings about him.

Either they think he's the greatest tech leader of this generation, akin to the Steve Jobs of the modern era, or they think that he's really manipulative and an abuser and a liar.

And what I realized because I interviewed so many people is it really comes down to what that person's vision of the future is and what their goals are.

So if you align with Altman's vision of the future, you're going to think he's the greatest asset ever to have on your side because this man is really persuasive.

He's incredible at telling stories.

He's incredible at mobilizing capital, at recruiting talent, at getting all the inputs that you need to then make that future happen.

But if you don't agree with his vision of the future...

then you begin to feel like you're being manipulated by him to support his vision, even if you fundamentally don't agree with it.

And this is the story, especially of Dario Amadei, CEO of Anthropic, who was originally an executive at OpenAI.

Yeah.

And it's one of the biggest competitors to OpenAI.

And Amadei, at the time when he was an executive at OpenAI, he thought that Altman was on the same page with him.

And then over time began to feel that Altman was actually on exactly the opposite page of him and felt that Altman had used Amadei's intelligence, capabilities, skills, skills