Karen Wyld

But that connects.

There were both moments where her life was about to dramatically change, but she wasn't aware of it.

There were both moments where she was basically leaving safety and venturing out.

And I suppose there were also sliding door moments.

And so the shivering,

well, hang on, what's happening here?

Are you going to make another silly mistake?

Okay, yes.

So, I mean, of course, there's 100 Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Isabel Allende's House of Spirits, Toni Morrison's Beloved fits in there, but it fits...

In a unique way.

Eka Kurniawan, Beauty is a Wound.

Yes, yes, his work is beautiful.

Marlon James, John Crowe's Devil.

And if you look at a lot of older, really older Indonesian literature, there's a lot of magic realism in there.

They all very much fit into magic realism, but in different ways, like,

They do it their own way.

It's hard to answer that because it's a huge book.

There's a lot in there.

Yeah, see, I mean that's the thing.

Like I would have to say that for a lot of my life I've been really attracted to lyrical, difficult, political, beautiful writing and that one really ticks all those boxes.