Karim Abou Zahab

Like even as individuals, you know?

But in terms of the question that you asked, whose responsibility is it?

It is everyone across that chain.

So we're talking that governments are implementing efficiency measures.

Governments need to regulate the use of energy.

And we're seeing that in the EU with the Energy Efficiency Directive, as well as organizations.

And it's...

In organizations, if we zoom into the energy use of IT, this is where there's a bit of a disconnect that happens.

Because IT teams usually are not the ones that pay the energy bill.

That's actually the facilities that do that.

And this is where we're trying to get the IT team and the facilities team to talk with each other in order to achieve balance.

better efficiency metrics in order to achieve better running, better optimization of the IT estate itself.

And therefore, the IT team is happy, the facilities team is happy, and the CFO, at least, is also happy.

Good answer.

If I would want to make an educated guess, I would say we're not going to be able to solely rely on high carbon impact energy generation anymore.

They're utilizing more and more resources every single year, basically.

I would say that in the future, more and more data centers will have a mix of renewable, that is, whether it's wind, solar, hydro, depends where they are, basically, as well as higher carbon impact energy sources, as well as low carbon energy sources, whichever they come from.