Kat Lonsdorf
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first heard Jan 2025
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He said he had to discuss the idea with other regional leaders. But there are no Arab leaders in the region who support this plan. It's possible that Abdullah and others are hoping Saudi Arabia, which is richer and more powerful, will talk Trump out of it. The Saudis were the first in the region to reject it, and very swiftly.
So Trump's proposal for Gaza hasn't directly come up in the current back and forth between Israel and Hamas, but it's certainly in the background. The U.S. taking over Gaza and relocating all of the Palestinians from there is not part of the ceasefire agreement. The ceasefire agreement took months to hammer out, and the U.S., including members of Trump's own administration, helped broker it.
So there's a lot of confusion on how this ceasefire agreement can actually proceed if Trump keeps pushing this controversial plan.
Yeah, for the most part, Palestinians we've heard from there say they want to stay in Gaza, despite the destruction and difficult living conditions they're faced with right now. Many feel like they've struggled throughout this entire war for Gaza to stay there, and they're not about to be forced off the land now. Here's 29-year-old Bassam Mohamed Abdelroof.
He talked to NPR's producer in Gaza, Anas Baba, while standing amidst the ruins of the main square in Gaza City. Even if there was a place that was a million times better, I would still live among the rubble and the tents, he says. It's hard to describe my love for Gaza, he says. Another person Anas Baba talked to in Gaza City was Nahed Ghonim. He's a surgeon at one of the hospitals there.
This is my homeland, he says, and I have no intention to leave, even if Trump provides me with the best of everything somewhere else. He went on to point out that the graves of his family killed during the war are in Gaza, and he won't leave them, and that his children were also killed and remain buried under the rubble in Gaza.
Yeah, we have. You know, like you said, Gaza is largely destroyed and life there is really difficult right now. Here's 30-year-old Yahya Barakat. He said he would leave if given the chance. My home is gone. My life is gone. My future is gone, he says. If I can find a country that embraces me, provides me with safety, I will go.
You know, it's important to note that as of right now, Palestinians can't leave Gaza and haven't been able to for much of the war. It's an area surrounded by walls and fences and then the sea on one side. And Israel controls who gets in or out. So the idea that anyone could just leave isn't realistic and hasn't been for quite a while.
The idea of being relocated is a very emotional and unsettling one for Palestinians. Historically, Palestinians have been displaced or forcibly moved from their land and then never been allowed to return, including most Palestinians living in Gaza right now. They're refugees from what was once Palestinian land and is now Israel.
So adding to that controversy in Trump's plan is whether or not Palestinians would be allowed to return to Gaza if they did leave. Trump administration officials have been calling it a temporary move for now, but then in a Fox News interview with Brett Baier that aired Monday, Trump said this.
No, they wouldn't have the right to return, he said, which really put Palestinians and others watching this on high alert.
Netanyahu's far-right allies are praising Trump's plan. Pushing Palestinians out of Gaza is something that they've been proposing for a while. But the average Israeli is much more focused on keeping the ceasefire deal going and getting the rest of the Israeli hostages out of Gaza. A large majority of Israelis support the ceasefire continuing.
And there's a feeling among a lot of them that this sudden proposal for the U.S. to take over Gaza and all of the confusion and emotions that come with it is distracting from that goal.
Thank you, Ari.
Yeah, so a lot of people, when I asked them about Trump's comments, started kind of smirking and basically saying, you know, I'll believe it when I see it. But a few people I talked to did admit that Gaza is in ruins. People there don't have proper living conditions and that something needs to be done. Here's Ahmed Habib. He's a pharmacist in Ramallah, but he's originally from Gaza.
He still has a lot of family there.
He told me all I care about is if people there have food, have milk, he says. People in Gaza deserve to live. I don't care where Trump wants to put us if they can just have a good life. But other Palestinians out here I talk to point out that Gaza is Palestinian land and that even if they think Trump's plan is not realistic, talk of moving people from that land is very emotional and unsettling.
Yeah, I mean, you have to remember that the backdrop to all of this right now is that the Israeli military is still conducting a very big operation through many of the cities in the northern part of the West Bank. Israel launched this operation just two days after the ceasefire in Gaza went into effect. And they've said that this one is different from past operations.
For example, Defense Minister Israel Katz announced that Israeli troops are going to remain in the Jenin refugee camp. That's the epicenter of the fighting. This hasn't happened before. It'd be a big shift in Israeli policy.
For months, Palestinians in the West Bank that I've been talking to here have told me that they've been worried that Israel's military focus might soon be moving from Gaza to them and ultimately that Israel might try to take more land here.
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