Kate Ceberano

Right, okay, yeah, right.

But actually it's kind of specious.

It's wrong because they're not, they are women.

surviving and thriving as themselves.

You can't stand in competition with another woman who's actually making it go right.

No.

You can't.

No, but it's a natural thing.

But I have used the adversity, just so you know, internally sometimes for the energy to fight back.

Right.

I'm not saying it's right.

Do you know what I mean?

Well, do you know what I mean by it?

Like, is it just me?

Yeah, if I could only prove that person wrong who told me I'd turn into nobody.

If I could just tell that bully at school that she was wrong about me, I'm not a pushover or I'm not a, you know, like these words, they seem to impregnate into your thoughts as a human and they'll drive your choices.

Well, the no was fuel until now and now I realise now that I'm actually, you know, I'm very good friends with Minokes and I'm very good friends with the hookahs, that actually now we're in the sisterhood.

Yes.

So the no's have changed.

I have other no's now.