Kate Hawkesby

So, look, it's a game of chess between two guys who are on the biggest stage in the world.

And I think what we saw yesterday was plenty of plaudits and it was good to see two strategic leaders

warriors, if you like, opponents of each other, essentially saying, look, it's okay to have differences.

We can try and get along.

And that's largely what the state banquet was about last night.

But I think at the same time, both want things, and they're trying to work out how to get it from the other.

So...

Yes, fine, everything went well yesterday.

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Up the wall.

I mean, obviously, you know, Ted's a great man, an excellent eye.

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No, I would not, Michael.

Very good morning.

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