Kate Hawkesby

Look what happened in South Australia.

Can she translate that to the federal stage?

Well, I guess we'll see in a couple of years' time.

But right now she's in the ascendancy, Angus Taylor riding along in her coattails and making a pretty bloody good fist of it.

Yeah, I do know what you're saying, and that's been the popular view.

She appeals to a redneck, uneducated, racist portion of the population, which is very small.

Australia, much more sophisticated, much more urbane, much more modern and 21st century.

I'm not sure that still applies.

I bagged the tribe out of Hanson on your program not so long ago, saying she had as much staying power as a snowflake in the Simpson Desert.

I'm not sure that's correct anymore.

She's got traction across society.

Wealthy people are saying, you know what?

This other mob is coming after my savings, my super, the stuff I've set aside for my retirement.

Bugger that.

I want to go with Pauline Hanson.

The extent to which you can hang on to that will determine the outcome of the next election in large measure.

Yeah, I mean, Pauline Hanson's defence policy is to back, you know, the Victoria Cross recipient accused of war crimes.

That's her defence policy.

She doesn't think about aircraft or, you know, ships or submarines.

She is as deep as the veneer on your kitchen benches.