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Kate Murphy

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674 total appearances

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10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

And if you don't have it on some baseline level, you may never, but that's not to say you will never.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

Yeah.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

Well, to the degree you can meet with other people and prioritize meeting people or at least have a regular meeting with the people that you work with, that, of course, is best.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

The research is pretty clear about Zoom, about video interaction, that it actually causes people to be less in sync.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

They've done some really interesting studies about people who just did audio only versus video were more in sync neurophysiologically, did better on common tasks, interrupted less, were more in sync in their communication, that kind of thing.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

I mean, if you think about it, the way video conferencing and video technology is done really to preserve bandwidth, the way it's coded and patched and synthesized, it introduces all these artifacts that like freezing, blocking, out of sync video, out of sync audio, that kind of thing, which really scrambles our ability to sync with one another.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

Because we're looking at this person who looks like they're on a security camera at a convenience store, essentially sort of that sort of blocky.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

They're not looking at you.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

You can't have eye contact.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

And how they look depends on the camera angle.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

So I would recommend people, I mean, certainly show a PowerPoint, say hello in the beginning.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

If you have product developments you want to show by video, great.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

But if you're really trying to have a meaningful conversation and have that sense of connection and intimacy over the phone, I mean, over a communication system, I would use the phone, audio only.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

I think that that is a better way to go.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

Certainly research supports that.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

And, you know, Zoom fatigue is real.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

It's because you're scrambling to try and sync up with the other person and you have all this faulty information that's being transmitted to you.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

Like you can't make eye contact.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

You can't really read those subtle facial expressions.

10% Happier with Dan Harris
How to Click With Anyone, Read Every Room, and Stop Absorbing Other People's Stress | Kate Murphy

So your brain is scrambling to find it and can't find it.