Kate Shaw
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 15 Sep
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We've had guests from other organizations working on various aspects of reproductive rights and justice, so places like the Center for Reproductive Rights and ACLU and Planned Parenthood and National Women's Law Center.
For folks who don't know your organization, If, When, How, can you start by just telling us a little bit about it?
What's its background?
And what sort of work did you primarily do before 2022?
Okay, so that's a great sort of history of the trajectory of the organization.
I think I, like many people who went to law school, first became aware of it, I think maybe just after I was in or at the end of my time in law school, as, you know, kind of chapters cropped up all over the country of students who are interested in abortion, reproductive justice more broadly.
I mean, there are still chapters on lots of, and I don't know about all, but at least many law school campuses.
Okay, but this is sort of implicit in what you said at the end, but maybe starting in 2019, and I think increasingly now,
In the wake of Dobbs, you all have pivoted to providing various kinds of legal services.
And one kind of critical aspect of your work, as I understand it now, is actual criminal defense.
And so before Dobbs, there was still criminalization of various aspects of pregnancy, drug use during pregnancy, right?
So the criminal law did not just spring to life after 2022 when Dobbs removed constitutional protections for abortion.
Right.
But there has certainly been much more serious efforts to criminalize because you don't have the constitutional backstop of Roe versus Wade as imperfect and flawed in so many ways as it was.
It did act as something of a shield against certain kinds of criminalization.
And, of course, in the wake of Dobbs, many states moved to restrict or prohibit virtually entirely or entirely criminalization.
abortion within their borders.
So what does kind of abortion criminal defense look like in the wake of Dobbs and today?
Tell us about that work and maybe tell us about a couple of the representations that you all have handled.
In many other states, it is a crime to facilitate or to perform an abortion, but actually criminalizing the individual who seeks to end a pregnancy, that is something that you're saying is actually far more rare.
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