Kathryn VanArendonk

appeal to the same kind of person is there is something about materiality that's really compelling and tangible about both of these things where while at the same time the world building around them, you just kind of got to be like, I don't know.

We're just, it's fine.

So for Outlander, the way that that looks is

You have crazy, like people are traveling back and forth all the time and you're like, I don't understand how these stone circles work and the gemstone system that is like sort of matters and sort of doesn't for how they travel.

But you know what I know a ton about is beekeeping.

Especially in this season.

I know what all of their clothes look like.

I know where the well is.

I understand, like, how hard it was to dye this particular fabric.

And there is something about just the, if you were a person in this crazy, like, circumstance.

this is what it would feel like when you touched something.

And I think that's the appeal of For All Mankind so often for me, because at some point I'm like, what are they... This makes no sense that anyone is making these choices or that this is what this Mars colony, how it functions, and what is Dev doing over there in this cave?

Like, what?

And yet...

The appeal of it so often is like it's this kind of gross-looking, underwhelming bunker system.

All of the walls look exactly the same.

They're dirty.

Everything's kind of grimy.

They have a bar.

It feels you understand the textures of those spaces.