Kathy Sheridan

There was no gendering in your family.

Not at all.

Which is unusual.

I think, Katrina, what jumped out at me in the book at that stage was it was the perfect storm, really, because you also had the page three girl phenomenon going on.

And it was a time of slut-shaming and the proliferation of slimming clubs, as you say.

And I remember at the time getting really cross at the page three thing and being told, you know, can you not see that it's just a bit of fun and the women are enjoying it and everything.

Can you just talk a little bit about that?

That's really interesting, Catriona, you should say that because I try to understand the OnlyFans phenomenon because those women will say, no, I'm empowered, I'm making a very good living and all I have to do is sort of pose in a bedroom or something.

You talk to me for a second, who, as I say, I'm conflicted about this.

And as you say, no judgment.

They're young.

Who knows what we might have done at that age if we were short of money and thought, well, they're looking anyway.

In a practical way, how would you address women on OnlyFans?

Going back to your experiences with weight.

Katrina, or that image of ourselves and trying to fix it.

Your journey began with Weight Watchers, I think.

Bring me through that.

It didn't work, did it?

And after that, Katrina, so that was the slimming clubs.

I'm always fascinated that you still had a baby to deal with and what pregnancy and childbirth do to the body anyway, which I think is slightly skated over in the book because I keep looking at the weight of.