Kati Morton

Okay.

I can tie into that.

When you said that, I'm like, oh, I don't remember.

It's hard to recall.

Also their names.

I had to change them.

So I'm like, which one is it?

Okay.

Oh, I can connect that.

When it comes to Yvette's story, the interesting thing there is that she used to take pride in the fact that everyone could count on her.

She would do everything people asked, essentially lighting herself on fire to keep them warm.

this extreme fawning.

But instead of being able to figure out where that's coming from and find a healthy balance, because we should be reliable, right?

We do want people to count on us for some things as we would want to count on them.

But instead of finding that healthy middle ground, she swung to the complete opposite where she would just say no to everything.

She didn't even show up for things with her family that were really important to them.

And then she almost felt even worse.

Oh my God, now I'm really letting them down.

It was like we

we're this pendulum swinging from extreme to extreme.