Kati Morton

Again, I'm afraid of losing connection or making people think some kind of way about me.

And so the first cues are usually I'm more tired and I needed more sleep and I didn't take the breaks.

I just kept going.

And yeah, and then it ends up obviously leading to a story you shared that I wrote about in the book as being agitated and irritated by the very thing that I've wanted.

Yes, I do unfortunately think that dysthymia and depressive symptoms are more and more common.

I can get into why, because I think there's a lot of different causes.

I've seen it grow exponentially since COVID.

And part of that, I think to what you and I experienced, this overworking burnout type of, I guess, behavior pattern happened because we were brought home from

from work so we don't go to the office as much a lot of people are still working remotely from home so there's no separation between work and life and so it makes it easier to keep working or keep doing things because you're just at home and you're just doing it anyways i also think we're more disconnected from people and so i think that the isolation that we experience has made us more lonely and has exacerbated any depressive symptoms and

Also, because our as a whole, I feel like our world, but especially our nation in the United States is very divided can make us feel alone there too.

I think there's just a lot of different factors that are as bad as it sounds to say it so abruptly, but so many factors making us feel bad.

I love that phrase.

I'm not familiar with his work, but now I'm going to have to look him up.

My husband's from Canada and York has a special place in my heart.

They've reached out years ago using some of my videos to help train their police force.

So I'm always like, oh, York, Ontario.

But the anti-mattering

I feel it viscerally when you said it.

I think it's a very powerful term.

And I think in general, as humans, I know people always say, there's a lot of people online that'd be like, I don't like to be around other people.