Katia

And another quite nice thought is, like, be the glimmer.

I sometimes smile at people and I think, I wonder if, like,

You need this.

Let's talk about the kind of midlifers.

You know, often we know that it is a time when, for men, it's particularly difficult.

I mean, people often laugh about the midlife crisis, but the good end of a midlife crisis is a sports car, but the bad end is suicide.

You know, it's a time when you are realizing that you're nearly halfway there.

through your life if that you know like 45 is you'd be lucky to you'll be lucky to get to 90 and um you know you're looking at what what have you done that you wanted to do what did you what have you done that you set out to achieve this is a time when people can get very dark um

What tips would you have for men and women?

Because for women it's perimenopause, which for lots of women is fine.

I mean, for me personally, my menopause journey has meant getting to the happiest place I've ever been in my life.

But I had to go through the change and I had to make some changes and let go.

of an opinion that I had of myself, how I looked or was, was perceived by society.

It's really interesting, like shift, but I am free.

Like I feel free and it's great.

But I went on a journey to get here.

I think what I'm hearing from you guys a little bit is

is that nothing good comes without the journey.

You can't just kind of teleport yourself into a great feeling of well-being.

You've got to kind of work at it to get there.