Katie Rich

And that moment that most of us don't get in our real lives, you know, like even if you have some kind of recognition in your life, a gold Oscar is just this level that kind of this universal symbol that everybody understands.

So I think,

knowing what it can mean to finally get to that point, it's really hard to stay cynical, especially if you are like paying attention to the shorts categories or the cinematographers or people who just are not public figures in that way.

It is such a meaningful and moving thing to me, even after all these years.

Thank you so much for having me.